wireless networking - Bluetooth unusable on HTPC -- 2.4GHz Wi-Fi to blame?

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2014-07
  • Roy

    I built an HTPC so I invested in a Bluetooth keyboard and trackpad as my couch potato remote control.

    My dual band router is located in my home theater setup to provide wired access to many all of my theater peripherals (as opposed to using a slower wireless connection).

    The trackpad experiences some lagging, but the keyboard is unusable. Letters take anywhere from 1-30 seconds to appear and some buttons are repeated indefinitely as the bluetooth connection is lost.

    I'm almost sure that this is a 2.4GHz band interference problem; my question is how to mitigate the interference?

    Which is more likely to cause interference that renders my Bluetooth keyboard unusable: the router or a wireless card in the computer?

    I've opened up the 5GHz band on my router to serve my laptop, but unfortunately there isn't a way to disable the 2.4GHz band (and my iPhone 4S is relegated to the 2.4GHz band anyways).

    Needless to say a wired option for either the keyboard or mouse are out of the question for an HTPC.

    Access Point: Time Capsule - 2.4ghz band operating on channel 11, 5.0ghz band enabled (automatic channel)

  • Answers
  • Bon Gart

    The long story is here

    The summary...

    Bluetooth devices operate within the 2.4 GHz band. The difference is that that Bluetooth uses frequency hopping (at 1,600 hops per second) to hop 1mhz at a time over the entire 2.4 GHz band. WiFi (B and G), on the other hand, uses direct sequence and only occupies approximately one third of the 2.4 GHz band. As a result, Bluetooth hops all over WiFi transmissions.

    You can try pushing your WiFi channel usage up to 11, but honestly, the nature of the two beasts means there is going to be interference.

    Your best bet is most likely going to be to re-position the router somewhere else, or put the computer somewhere else. You could get a simple switch to wire all the devices near the TV to, and cable that to the router after you put it somewhere else. But basically, you will have to reconfigure your setup.

  • Spiff

    Bluetooth devices can employ tricks like Adaptive Frequency Hopping (AFH) to avoid interference from Wi-Fi, but if you're doing 802.11n with wide channels (40MHz wide, instead of the traditional 20MHz channel width), you're not leaving enough free space in the band for Bluetooth. Also, Wi-Fi/Bluetooth combo cards/modules can do other co-existence tricks.

    So first, see if you can force your AP to do 20MHz-wide channels only (HT20) on the 2.4GHz radio (if you're using an AirPort Extreme or Time Capsule, don't worry about it -- they already limit themselves to HT20 in 2.4GHz as a "good neighbor" policy). Also, make sure your AP's selected 2.4GHz channel is at one end of the band or the other: channel 1 or 11.

    Second, separate your wireless router from your HTPC by at least 2 meters. Try not to keep them in the same media cabinet. But if you absolutely must, at least put them in diagonally opposite corners of the media cabinet. By the way, make sure you've disabled the Wi-Fi on your HTPC.

    Third, see if moving 2.4GHz devices away from your Bluetooth keyboard and trackpad helps. For example, if you're sitting on the couch with your HTPC Bluetooth HID devices next to you, but with your laptop on your lap and your iPhone in your pocket and your iPad on the coffee table, try turning off the Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on those other devices and see if it makes a difference.

    Fourth, see if you can turn down the power on your AP's 2.4GHz radio.

  • Roy

    In fact, it was a bad bluetooth adaptor. Sabrent $10 POS couldn't handle two bluetooth input devices (trackpad and keyboard). I grabbed a Rocketfish MRBTAD on ebay for 6.99 (shipping included) and I'm typing on the keyboard now.

    Moved the AP back into the home theater so I have everything wired up again. Thanks for your help anyways guys.

    For your reference, don't buy this guy:

    http://www.amazon.com/Sabrent-Wireless-Bluetooth-Adapter-BT-USBT/dp/B002SBF108


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  • joe

    What is the difference between Wifi (802.11 "wireless") and Bluetooth?


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  • pavsaund

    Wikipedia has good articles on both 802.11 WiFi technologies and Bluetooth technologies.

    Wikipedias quick summary of the differences:

    Bluetooth and Wi-Fi have many applications in today's offices, homes, and on the move: setting up networks, printing, or transferring presentations and files from PDAs to computers. Both are versions of unlicensed wireless technology. Wi-Fi is intended for resident equipment and its applications. The category of applications is outlined as WLAN, the wireless local area networks. Wi-Fi is intended as a replacement for cabling for general local area network access in work areas. Bluetooth is intended for non resident equipment and its applications. The category of applications is outlined as the wireless personal area network (WPAN). Bluetooth is a replacement for cabling in a variety of personally carried applications in any ambience.

    So basicly, 802.11 is an addition to the networking and connecting of computers & smartphones supporting high-bandwidth, and covers large areas.

    Bluetooth is a ad-hoc wireless technology which works at low distances, making it perfect for file tansfersing and remote-control hardware.

  • heavyd

    Wireless is a general term talking about any type of communication that involves communication without wires. Bluetooth is a specific wireless technology.

    Bluetooth is used for low bandwidth, short range wireless (usually only a few feet) communication typically between devices such as phones, computers, GPSs, etc.

    Examples of other wireless technologies include:

    • 802.11 (Wifi) - Used for traditional IP data, such as internet traffic, over short distances
    • WiMax - Broadband like IP data.
    • GSM - Used in cell phones
  • Simon P Stevens

    When most people talk about "wireless" they are probably talking about a particular wireless protocol called IEEE802.11 which is used for wireless networks. Bluetooth however is an alternative wireless protocol and is typically used for short range 1-1 communication and was originally designed as a wireless replacement for RS232 serial cables.