bios - Can't install Windows on GPT device

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2014-07
  • mowwwalker

    I have a bit of a conundrum here. My windows installation doesn't boot with EFI, so the only way to boot from it is to turn off efi boot on my BIOS settings. Then I can boot into the disk, but my internal drive is GPT partitioned, so I can't install Windows without EFI enabled..

    So I'm stuck, I can't install to the drive without EFI, but I can't load the installation disk with it turned on. What can I do?

  • Answers
  • Lonard

    In fact, you have three solutions.

    • The first consist to change the table partition of your internal drive to MBR. If you choose this way, you should know that you will lost all the data on your drive. You can use a software like Gparted to do this. Maybe also you have this possibility with Windows himself. Launch the installation and look if you can delete the partition (all of them) and proceed the installation.

    • The second is to put your installation disk (or get a .iso file) on a usb key (or a dvd etc). This key should be GPT partitioned, if you want to be able to boot from. For example, you can use a software like Rufus to do that.

    • The third, you can try to convert the table partition from GPT to MBR.


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  • John Chadwick

    I'd like to know if there's a method to get Windows 7 or Windows 8 Developer Preview to install to a GPT disk on my traditional IBM PC BIOS setup. Windows 7, of course, rejects my GPT partition, because I don't have UEFI. Well, Debian and Grub 2 seem to work fine... So I want to know if there's a way to force Windows to work as well.

    I'd seriously prefer avoiding hybrid MBR/GPT, because it's quite fragile and feels hackish, but it does work. I would assume the main blocker is that Microsoft is simply not adding support in their BIOS bootloader for GPT, which is understandable, I suppose. Is there any recourse?

    The way I see it, there are a few potential solutions:

    1. Having an alternate bootloader for the Windows kernel. NOT a chainloader. As far as I know, none exist. That's a shame.
    2. Storing as little as possible on an alternate MBR-based disk. Not liking this idea, but it's doable. I'm not sure I'd call this a solution to the problem as much as a workaround.
    3. Emulating EFI enough to get the EFI bootloader to work... I remember hearing a bit about a UEFI-on-BIOS emulator, but I can't find anything about it now. I assume this is doable, but there's probably not much demand for it yet, and it's probably no fun at all to setup. GRUB 2 seems to be able to boot a hackintosh with necessary EFI emulation, but I guess there's no interest/UEFI 2 is harder to approach (and I would assume other EFI emulators used for hackintosh are on the same boat.)
    4. Coreboot with TainoCore. Coreboot does not work on my motherboard (as far as I know,) and I'm quite sure the last effort to do this during GSoC was a failure. I'd absolutely love this solution, if it did work, though.

    Am I missing anything?


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  • John Chadwick

    Well, things have changed since I first asked this question. For one, my PC is now UEFI based, so I don't have this problem anymore. Well, sort of. I had interest on pulling a similar setup on my laptop (GPT partitions, etc.) I finally managed to get a working Tianocore UEFI DUET setup, and it was about as painfully simple as it gets!

    This assumes you want all shiny, new setups. If you want to actually convert your old setup, good luck. Actually, good luck either way, as this is a spotty operation in any situation.

    A word of warning: If you're a fan of quick boot times, you may want to rethink this decision. Not that UEFI DUET is slow, but it adds another stage to your boot process, so if your BIOS/POST isn't fast, you may not like this.

    Without further adieu;

    1. You'll want a Linux setup. I used Fedora 16 off of a USB stick (with UNetBootin) and I'd highly recommend that because it practically works out of the box. You need a USB drive anyway, so don't plan on continuing without one.

    2. Grab some UEFI DUET builds. Without question, the best place to get this is here. The actual build tarballs are under the master branch of the first repository, here. Give it the old tar -xf.

    3. Setup your partitions. You should reserve 200 MB somewhere on the disk (very much preferably the beginning, and first partition.) You can format it with FAT32, but we're reformatting it later. Just make sure it shows up as a partition. You should use GPT here.

    4. Now install any additional software you may need. On the Fedora Live distribution, I found I needed yum install gdisk. I think that was it.

    5. Now go into the extracted builds directory. chmod +x ./duet-install and ./duet-install -64 -F -m /dev/sda1 (where /dev/sda1 is your desired EFI system partition.)

    6. Cross your fingers and reboot. With any luck, you'll see the TianoCore logo in just a few moments. If so, you are probably good! You'll need to setup your OS installation files on a USB drive - Tianocore does not support CD-ROM/DVD-ROM drives out of the box (and I don't know of any drivers for it.)

    You may also desire some UEFI shell binaries to play with. I found some here. Didn't test with Tianocore yet, though.

    Anyway, thanks for everyone who tried to help.

  • harrymc

    The article A BIOS to UEFI Transformation describes in detail how to use TainoCore UEFI DUET.

    I understand that you have had problems using TainoCore, but perhaps this article will work for you.

    The article does say :

    Some computers don't work with UEFI DUET. Most importantly, it's really only useful on 64-bit x86-64 computers, especially in binary form. In fact, it doesn't start up properly even on some x86-64 computers. In tests on five x86-64 systems, I managed to get one or both versions working on just three computers—a pretty dismal success rate, really. It may just be coincidence, but the two computers that worked best for me used Intel CPUs, whereas the two that worked worst and the one that worked with version 2.1 but not version 2.3 all had AMD CPUs.

    This seems to imply that one should try several versions of UEFI DUET before giving up.

    It would help to know the model of your computer.

  • Milind R

    If you even have a small spare drive, you can boot Windows(either 32 or 64 bit) from GPT on BIOS. A floppy will do.

    Boot into the Windows install/repair disc.

    Create the system drive on the small disk/floppy, and use bcdboot to put your boot files on the the newly created drive on the small disk. Add a bootsector with bootsect. Change the {bootmgr} device to boot. Boot from small disk.

    Steps are detailed here.

  • wzyboy

    I managed to boot Windows 8.1 on a GPT disk under a BIOS setup WITHOUT a second MBR disk.

    The story was: My laptop was under a BIOS + GPT setup, with only Arch Linux installed. Recently I need to accomplish some tasks in Windows (which virtual machines cannot) so I am struggling to install Windows under my existing BIOS + GPT setup. According to Milind's answer, I managed to install Windows boot files (Boot, bootmgr, etc) to a (small) MBR USB drive. And each time I power on my laptop with that USB drive plugged in, I can boot into Windows 8.1, after which the drive can be plugged out safely.

    The drawback is obvious: I need to carry a USB drive with me to boot Windows. So I was always trying to get rid of it.

    After trying with different methods, I finally found the memdisk module of syslinux project worked.

    • You need to give up Windows boot manager.
    • You do not have to install syslinux. Only the memdisk module (a 26 kB file) is needed.
    • You can use many bootloaders to load this module, in my case, my favourite bootloader GRUB (version 2).

    Here is the outline of how-to:

    • Partition your GPT disk to meet GRUB's needs, that is to say, a small partition to embed core.img. Detailed link
    • Install GRUB to that small partition.
    • Install Windows with imagex. And use bootsect and bcdboot to install Windows boot files into a small MBR USB disk..
    • Use dd or dd_rescue to clone your small USB disk into a disk image. (Your USB disk has finished its job.) The image may be too big for memdisk to load, you can mount it and shrink the filesystem / partition in it.
    • According to my test, you do not need a physical MBR disk to install Windows boot files into. You can create a vhd file and treat it as a physical disk. After installing Windows boot files into the vhd, you can convert it to raw (dd style) disk image using tools provided by VirtualBox or QEUM. When created with type=fixed, the vhd file is just a normal raw disk image (dd-style) with 512 Bytes footer. The footer will be recognized as "unpartitioned space" and will be ignored, so a type=fixed vhd file can be directly fed to MEMDISK without converting and thus boot the Windows.
    • Configure GRUB to use memdisk to load this disk image.
    • Windows will boot.

    A detailed how-to can be found in my reboot.pro reply to Milind's thread.

  • Nikolai Vakulenko

    Big thanks to wzyboy.

    I faced with this problem when tried to install Windows 2012 to Dell PowerEdge 2950 with 6Tb RAID. It hasn't UEFI.

    I carried out some experiments. First I created 32Mb virtual HDD, as wzyboy said, and simply copied all stuff from Microsoft reserved partition. Windows was started normally. But with this solution, Hyper-V service unable to start.

    As memdisk wiki says, it automatically decide by image size, what of kind media it have to emulate. So, I created virtual 720K floppy in WMware environment, and copied bootmgr, BCD and bootstat.dat in it(just in case, deleted memtest submenu from BCD store). Floppy size I choozed as small as possible, so it may be bigger or even smaller, I don't tried.

    Now it boots from GPT drive and Hyper-V works good.

    P.S. may be third party software helps. Does anybody used anything like this? https://www.terabyteunlimited.com/bootit-bare-metal.htm