fan - Does running a computer with the case open mess with the airflow/cooling?

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2014-07
  • WorstUsernameEver

    My friends say that it should actually improve the cooling since there is more air available to it, especially the CPU fan. I have to admit that it at least looks like it would stay cooler.

    I disagree. It should prevent the case fans from effectively running fast-moving air across the components, right? As for the CPU fan, the air around it isn't being refreshed as much with the case open, I think, so it's getting hotter, so the CPU cooling isn't as effective. Not that it would kill the computer, but it seems to me that it would make the cooling less efficient.

    Who's right? This is about settling an argument, not trying to solve a real problem. The computer in question is a custom-made "1337 gaming b0x0r r!g" (you know the type) school computer with like 8 fans that's being used right now to make graphene using a LightScribe DVD burner (not a heavy task), and its case is open. The key here is that it has a good-quality case, and we can't try heat tests on it.

  • Answers
  • techie007

    You are right, running the computer with the chassis side open wide is worse than having it closed (assuming the closed chassis has proper air flow).

    Air flow is important, and if you just open the side of the case, the air stops flowing from front to back (the usual direction anyway), and instead lots of hot air just hangs over the components due to the lack of air actually moving.

    Worry less about the CPU or anything with a fan on it, and more about the stuff that's passively cooled, as passive cooling depends on the air moving through the case, pulling the hot air away.

    Perhaps think of it like this: Put a computer fan at the end of a 4 foot long, 3" tube and stick your hand near the other end. You can feel the air moving quite well, I'd bet.

    Now take the same fan and just sit it on the table in a room. Stick you hand 4 feet away from it, you should notice that there's a lot less, or no, air pressure against your hand.

    You may want to take a look a the answers/links in this SU question: Optimal Fan Placement and Direction for Air-Cooling a Computer

  • barlop

    In theory, so some have said.

    In practice, i've had a P4 running for maybe almost 10 years+, side off the case. Not in a data centre with perforated flooring, just in a house.

    What Mel mentions re a data centre with perforated flooring, vs not, that's interesting, and makes sense. Matches my experience with the P4.

    With what techie mentions, well, that also makes sense but I haven't had a problem doing it.. You could test it somewhat. This isn't generally recommended because there's a risk of static damaging a component once in a blue moon(and perhaps if it's badly built), but a person could put their finger on the heatsink of something that is passively cooled and see how hot it is, and compare with side on(momentarily taking it off to check), and with side off for a long duration. No doubt lots of technical people leave the sides off their computers for quick access to the insides.

  • Mel_Burslan

    If you are not in a data center environment, it really should not matter. As a matter of fact, opening the case might help you a little, unless of course, you have an air flow optimized rig like some gaming special systems do.

    On the other hand, if your question is about a server in a data center environment with forced cooling, it absolutely matters and running it open case, make the matter worse, because, the perforated floor tiles on data centers, are located at those positions for a purpose. they push cold air from one side of the cabinet and pull hot air from the other side. And if your case is open, the heat rises in the cabinet vertically, instead of being pushed out to be sucked by the hot air collector side of the cooling system.

  • wallyk

    Why don't you measure for yourself? Arguably, the most important temperature is the CPU temperature which all modern CPUs provide a sensor which can be read. This is highly operating system dependent though.

    On Linux, you can use the acpi command: acpi -t to display temperature information. If that is not installed (or connected), here are some more things you can try:

    $ cat /sys/devices/virtual/thermal/thermal_zone*/temp  (Fedora 16/kernel 3.6)
    40000
    39000
    

    Or on some kernels; $ cat /sys/devices/virtual/thermal/* (Ubuntu 12/kernel 3.10)

    Or maybe

    $ cat /proc/cpuinfo
    processor   : 0
    vendor_id   : GenuineIntel
    cpu family  : 6
    model       : 44
    model name  : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU           X5690  @ 3.47GHz
    stepping    : 2
    microcode   : 0x10
    cpu MHz     : 3457.977
    cache size  : 12288 KB
    physical id : 0
    siblings    : 6
    core id     : 0
    cpu cores   : 6
    apicid      : 0
    initial apicid  : 0
    fpu     : yes
    fpu_exception   : yes
    cpuid level : 11
    wp      : yes
    flags       : fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe syscall nx pdpe1gb rdtscp lm constant_tsc arch_perfmon pebs bts rep_good nopl xtopology nonstop_tsc aperfmperf pni pclmulqdq dtes64 monitor ds_cpl vmx smx est tm2 ssse3 cx16 xtpr pdcm pcid dca sse4_1 sse4_2 popcnt aes lahf_lm ida arat epb dtherm tpr_shadow vnmi flexpriority ept vpid
    bogomips    : 6915.95
    clflush size    : 64
    cache_alignment : 64
    address sizes   : 40 bits physical, 48 bits virtual
    power management:
    
    processor   : 1
    ... (for 11 more cores)
    

    This shows that CPU0 is at 40 °C and CPU1 is at 39 °C. With that kind of information you can rearrange the case covers and see which arrangement is coolest.

    On Windows, I remember finding a way. I would search in the System Information applet. Or maybe you have to install something.

    I would expect the case cover on to provide the best cooling.


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  • kevyn

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  • Keck

    If watercooling breaks the budget, there are other ways to reduce noise.

    Monitor temps or consider purchasing a fan controller to turn off or slow down the pair of 120mm fans. If they are the same as the antec 120mm in my case, it isn't the quietest out there and they connect directly to the power supply rails, so they arn't dynamically turned down.

    Good alternatives for low cost would such as some of the scythe brand fans:

    Slip Stream 120mm

    I don't know if you're using stock intel heatsink like the photo, but passive heatsinks can work very well, especially with the airflow from the side fans. I've had excellent cooling and very very quiet operation off my Xigmatek s1283.

    Ensure your fans are connected to the motherboard headers, and use fan-control software to spin down the fans when not necessary. Most processors can also lower clock rates to maintain cool temperatures.

  • TomB

    Wow. Water cooling in that small a case is going to be tough.

    As I see it you have two routes.

    If you don't want to modify the case you will need to find a kit that has the pump and radiator external to the case.

    This unit has high praise on lots of sites: http://www.zalman.co.kr/ENG/product/Product%5FRead.asp?idx=183

    It is available here: http://www.xoxide.com/zalman-reserator-1-v2.html

    Another Zalman product that seems to be well received: http://www.zalman.co.kr/ENG/product/Product%5FRead.asp?idx=185

    If you don't mind some cutting and drilling, a unit designed to fit in a 2u 5.25 fitting could be adapted to your needs. Or something like this: http://www.xoxide.com/coolit-pure-cpucooler.html Thin radiator that will be easy to stick somewhere.

    Lots of products out there. http://www.overclockercafe.com/ has a very active forum of folks that would love to help you develop a custom solution to your problem.

  • Dan Neely

    If you want something with a smaller footprint than the zalman suggested by TomB, the swiftech H2O 220 Compact or H2O 120 Compact with a Rad Box (the 220 kit includes one) are options as well. The pump is combined with the CPU block, the resivoir with the radiator, and the radbox allows them to be mounted on the back of the case at the location of a 120mm fan. I ultimately bought a larger case but used an earlier version of the swiftech kit with a radbox for about a year and a half. Unless you buy and heavily overclock a high TDP chip the smaller 120 kit will be sufficient.

    The only gotcha is that since your case doesn't appear to have a 120mm fan on the back you might need to buy some additional tubing to make all your connections.