Laptop Power Supplies- AMPS Confusion

07
2014-07
  • Insaf

    I've got an old fujitsu Siemens AMLO pro v3515 notebook with a dead power adapter to use it. The power measurements of it is


    Power Details

    Output Power (Max): 65W Output Voltage: 20V

    Output Current (Max): 3.25A

    I have one or two power adapters (some different vendors with following specs) in my junk stuff, working ones which I am wondering if I can use with this notebook!

    Input Range: 100-240V AC Output voltage: 19v Output Current :3.42A


    I don't know much about voltage and current differences. Is it recommended for me to use the adapter with 19V-3.42A where the Fujitsu's original was 20v-3.25A?? When I connected it for a while it powered on normally and computer booted, but I unplugged it. I just want to make sure if it's a suitable one and it will not damage internal electronic peripherals of the notebook in the long run.

    Support is thanked :)

  • Answers
  • BrianA

    As it's a laptop the battery provides the power (when not connected to the adaptor) and it is an 11V. The external power supply output will be regulated by the battery charging circuitry in the computer to charge the battery and provide 11V to the computer power rails. I'd have thought 19V would do that as well as the 20V. This site has a replacement charger with the following spec 19V 3.42A (65W) Laptop Charger for Fujitsu Siemens Amilo Pro V3515 . If it was mine I'd use it without a worry!

  • Paperlantern

    You want to match voltages. It probably won't be good for it to undervolt it for a long time. I don't think it will damage it though but I still wouldn't use an unmatched voltage for too long. Amps are fine though, if it were a 20v 3.42a you could run it as long as you want, the device will only pull what it needs. I think you just happened to stumble across a perfect storm of adapters and voltages that the 19v provides just enough for the 20v computer to boot.

    As a laptop tech of 10+ years I wouldn't ever recommend it, but it would be up to you to continue to use it. Adapters are cheap though, personally I would order a new one and MAYBE USE the wrong one for a short time if I HAD to use the laptop in the meantime, but would avoid it if I could.

  • shufler

    Let's calculate the difference between supplies to see how much power they both deliver:

    The formula for power is: Power (Watts) = Current (Amperes) * Voltage (Volts) or P = I * V

    Original power supply: P = 3.25 A * 20 V = 65 W (as indicated)

    The new power supply: P = 3.42 A * 19 V = 64.98 W (with significant digits this rounds to 65 W)

    So both power supplies deliver the same power.

    The issue is around whether there is enough voltage delivered or too much current delivered. Each electrical component in the computer needs a certain voltage. When you add these all up, your total voltage should be less than the voltage delivered by the power supply. In your case you're providing the laptop with less voltage than it used to receive from its old adapter (and more current).

    When the engineer originally designed this laptop they would have selected a power supply that provided more voltage than the laptop needed to provide some tolerance and depending on how easy they wanted to make it for the consumer to modify or expand the devices in the laptop, they may have selected a power supply that delivers even more voltage than the stock laptop needs (this is common with desktop power supplies).

    The question you have to ask is how much tolerance was built into this solution -- can you get away with providing 1 volt less (keep in mind at this scale we're talking about a 5% difference which can be significant)? Maybe. Maybe not. I don't know and I can't tell you. The engineer could have selected a power supply that delivers exactly the voltage needed. You won't know for sure unless you can measure it.

    Depending on the laptop model you have you can likely pick up a replacement power supply. And here's the kicker, you'll find that the replacement may be a different part and in some cases it is also shared with other models from the same manufacturer. It is possible that it provides different voltage and amperes than your original (I have seen this several times with Dell). In this case the manufacturer knows the device and the power it needs and can make the decision as to whether the power supply is suitable for your model. It might be worth looking into what the replacement supply's specs are and seeing how they compare to your "junk" adapter.


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  • user13743

    I have an Acer aspire 5000. When I turn it on, the ambwer power LED blinks 6 or 7 times, and no booting happens. From my googling, it seems to be a power issue.

    I tried swapping out for a different power supply from another acer. The pos/neg charge is the same, the output voltage is 19V, but the amperage is different. The original is 3.42 amps, while the new one is 3.95 amps.

    Can I use this new one with my laptop, or will I need to find one that matches better?


    Edit: Ah! I got this mixed up. The old one is 3.95, while the new one is 3.42. So it sounds like from the answers so far, I shouldn't be using this new one.


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  • SuperMagic

    You should be able to use this adapter.

    Current ratings on the PS are maximum allowable draw.

    That is, you shouldn't connect a 3.95amp powersupply to a device that will pull 5 amps.

    However, connecting a 5amp powersupply to a device that only needs 3 amps is fine (assuming the voltage ratings are the same).

    Edit:

    When selecting power supplies: Match the voltage exactly. You can use a power supply with a higher rating on current (amps) or total power (current * voltage, so directly related anyway).

    Do not use a power supply with a lower current rating or power rating than the original.

  • eleven81

    Background:

    According to Joule's Law:

    Power = Current x Voltage
    


    Calculations:

    The old supply provides 3.42 amps x 19 volts = 65 watts of power.

    The new supply provides 3.95 amps x 19 volts = 75 watts of power.


    Conclusions:

    Both adapters provide 19 volts, but the new adapter provides 10 watts more power.

    If the laptop was running and charging with the old 65 watt adapter, the new 75 watt adapter will work.

    As an added benefit, the battery may charge more quickly with the new adapter.