ssd - Very high-pitched noise when computer does something intense?

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2014-07
  • Starkers

    "Intense" is the best word I can use to describe it because I'm not sure what it is, whether it's RAM, GPU or CPU.

    If I pan the camera in unity:

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    A high pitched noise issues from the computer. The picosecond I start panning the sound starts. Stops the picosecond I stop panning.

    If I start an infinite loop:

    2.0.0p247 :016 > x = 1
     => 1 
    2.0.0p247 :017 > while x < 2 do
    2.0.0p247 :018 >     puts 'huzzah!'
    2.0.0p247 :019?>   end
    huzzah!
    huzzah!
    huzzah!
    

    An identical high pitched noise can be heard. I don't think it's the GPU due to this simple experiment. Or any monitor-weirdness (although the sound does sound like one of those old CRT monitors if you're old enough to be young when those things were about) The CPU? Or maybe my SSD? It's my first SSD and the first time I've heard this noise.

    Should I be worried? Regardless, what's causing this sound? I can't think what would cause such high frequency vibrations.

    I built the PC myself. Not enough heat paste on the CPU? Too much? Just no idea what's going on.

    Info:
    CPU Type    QuadCore Intel Core i5-3570K, 3800 MHz (38 x 100)
    Motherboard Name    Asus Maximus V Extreme
    Flash Memory Type   Samsung 21nm TLC NAND
    Video Adapter   Asus HD7770
    
  • Answers
  • slhck

    It's called "coil whine". It is not harmful, just annoying. You can learn more about it on Wikipedia:

    These coils, which may act as inductors or transformers, have a certain resonant frequency when coupled with the rest of the electric circuit, as well as a resonance at which it will tend to physically vibrate.

    Basically you can not do much about it, some coils just have it, especially on graphics cards.

  • Arthur

    The two most likely culprits are coils and capacitors in the voltage converters in the various switching mode power supplies in the computer.

    Switching power supplies use coils to convert power efficiently from input voltage levels to output voltage levels. The power supply applies a higher voltage (e.g., 12V, not really extremely high voltage) to the coil connected to a lower voltage load, such as the 1.2 volts or so used by the memory or CPU. The high voltage causes a current to build up in the coil. Then it disconnects the high voltage from the coil. The collapsing magnetic field in the coil opposes changes in current, so the coil tries to pump current to its load. A diode from ground on the input side of the coil conducts, so current continues flowing to the load after the high voltage input is disconnected. But the current actually flowing into the lower voltage output decays more slowly than it was building up when the higher input voltage was applied. Thus, you get more current at lower voltage. The output power is always slightly less than the input power, but the conversion can be pretty efficient.

    The magnetic field in the coil acts on the current in the coil, producing an actual mechanical force on the wire in the coil, like the force produced in any electric motor. Since the magnetic fields and currents are changing, this causes changing forces which can vibrate the wire of the coil. Power converter whine is likely to be louder at heavier processing loads. Processors really do use more power when they are busy.

    Some capacitors also sing. The voltage applied across the very thin insulator in the capacitor physically squeezes the insulator, compressing the capacitor. Ceramic capacitors use piezoelectric materials between conductors and actually store energy as mechanical strain. This effect is used to produce beeping sounds in some electronic devices, such as the beeper in a microwave oven that tells you that your popcorn is scorched into inedible charred fluff.

    If your display uses cold cathode florescent backlight, there is a similar converter to convert to a very high voltage (e.g., 1200V) at a very low current. If this converter is the noise maker, changing screen brightness may affect the volume of the sound.

    In one computer I had a few decades ago the sound card picked up electronic noise from the various components in the computer. It was only audible at high volume levels, but it was the limiting factor of the dynamic range of the sound card. Disk activity was a big factor in the electronic hash due to the large current spikes when the disk heads moved. If hash in the sound card is the noise source, reducing the output volume should affect the volume of the whine.

  • ldrumm

    As some of the other answers suggest, this appears to be coil whine. I occasionally experience the same issue and was determined to find out what the cause was. I removed my Samsung SSD830 and attached it dangling from an eSATA cable outside the machine so I could place my ear next to it.

    It was the hard disk.

    I was a bit puzzled by this, seeing as there are no moving parts in an SSD. I wrote a CPU bound program to reproduce this behaviour and could see that the HD was idle during the run. This puzzled me further. However, it turned out that this behaviour manifested itself only when the laptop PSU was disconnected and the machine was running from battery only.

    It may be that when CPU load increases, there is not enough current available to power all components without a voltage sag in another component, hence causing the behaviour you have experienced. Powerful GPUs and CPUs crave current like a flux capacitor, so it may be you need a higher-rated PSU to deliver enough current during load spikes.

    Note This is all conjecture and just based on guesses, so don't go and buy another PSU without confirming the source yourself. This may however help you track down the source of the issue.

  • Fazer87

    If its going to be anything, I would put my money on the CPU.

    The fact that you have eliminated your GPU leaves you with CPU, RAM, SSD, FANS.

    I doubt its RAM - you're hardly filling it at an obsurdly high rate even with your infinite loop

    Same goes for HDD.. the processing work you are doing is CPU intensive, not HDD intensive.

    Its possible that your fans are spinning up and a bad bearing is causing you horrible noise.. but since you mentioned it happens the second you spin up the PC and make it work hard, i would argue that the fans are probably a couple of seconds behind while they spin up.

    This leaves CPU - your most likely candidate..although it could easily still be explained by a fan as you cant actually hear a CPU ramp up before a fan!

    I can't really comment on things like:

    • whether your fan is adequate
    • whether there is too much or too little thermal comound
    • whether your motherboard is drawing enough or too much power
    • whether your PSU is struggling to handle the increased power draw of the CPU..

    you haven't provided me with the kind of information I would need to diagnose this. We would need model numbers, potentially photos for the compounds etc.

    If I were you and I knew that this was caused by stress, I would start looking at using benchmarking software to establish if any hardware is underperforming against its documented spec - this could start to point you in the direction of what is struggling/failing.

    It never hurts (as long as you wear ESD) to remove and re-paste the CPU to eliminate cooling compound.

    Some motherboards and CPUs support reading of voltages and usage by software, but again - you would need to check model numbers with manufacturers to see if this was supported or available.

    Do you have a spare PC? If you try swapping out the PSU or cooling fans and this problem persists, you can eliminate those too.

    Hope this gives you a good jumping off point to get started.


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  • Arthur Skirvin

    Twice now my computer has frozen, accompanied by a terrible, angry, buzzing/beeping noise through the speakers. It is my first build, and as such I'm not really educated enough to even make a guess as to what is causing it. It doesn't respond to any keyboard or mouse input and I end up needing to reset it. Here's what I've noticed:

    1. It has only happens when I am online
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    I know that might not mean anything, considering it's only happened twice, but I've put in like 20 hours on Steam and maybe 3 hours browsing online, so these crashes do seem connected with it. I've checked the temps and voltages after rebooting, and nothing seemed out of the ordinary. Here's my build:

    • intel i7 2600k
    • p8p67 deluxe mobo
    • gtx 570 superclocked
    • ripjaw RAM
    • 800W power supply
    • CM 690 case
    • Zahlman cpu fan
    • hard drive, disk drive etc.

    All my drivers are up to date.

    For some reason, I don't know why, I suspect my graphics card. Does anybody have any insight as to what might be causing this?

    EDIT: also it has only happened when I've not been using head phones, as I only use my monitor speakers when not gaming. Idk if that's important, but there it is.


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  • icelava

    If it's the regular types of pc beep patterns, you can reference the motherboard manual to tell what problem it is trying to communicate. But i suspect that is not the case.

    What you describe almost certainly translates into those indecipherable buzzing sounds that suggest the state when the audio hardware is getting rubbish input signals - due to the hardware crash - and thus producing rubbish noises. This does not necessarily suggest the audio hardware to be the faulty component; it can be any combination of components, unfortunately.

    In my historical case, it was simply a bad combo of processor + motherboard. Not video card, not audio card, not RAM. I was only able to finally diagnose this with a second computer to swap parts individually. Using the processor on another motherboard, and the motherboard with another processor, worked perfectly stable.

    You'd have to slowly troubleshoot a component at a time.

  • slhck

    This problem will occur if the the RAM or harddisk is not connected properly.

    If you can, I suggest you to open the computer and re-insert the RAM and connect the cables to Hard disk properly.

    For assistance you can check videos in youtube.com. Once they are connect every thing will work fine. Also when you remove the RAM from the slots, there should be a lot of dust, so first clean it up and then re-insert!

  • Noam N. Kremen

    Which OS? If windows, try upgrading/downgrading your graphics card drivers. Also check that the grpahic card and the sound card aren't sharing an IRQ.

  • Dustin G.

    You should also update your version of Flash Player. If you have the latest, try downgrading to a slightly older version.

    I helped a friend a few months ago who had his desktop connected via HDMI to his TV. He could play intense games all day, watch blu-rays, or anything else graphics intensive, but once he started using flash video or games, the system would hang and the speakers would emanate a horrible buzzing sound.

    After lots of troubleshooting, we found out his GPU was able to be exchanged under a 3 year manufacturer warranty. Swapped out cards and the issue went away.

  • Trekker

    Perform a Windows Update and have it search for all software. Here's a HTG link that describes this:

    http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/23434/beginner-geek-make-windows-7-update-find-updates-for-more-than-just-the-os/

  • Alex

    Personally, I would take a different approach, and assume that it's deliberate. A lot of motherboards have alarms for different failure types.

    Check to see what alerts it creates.

    Given the propensity for flash to overwork a system, I would assume you're overheating it. I know you checked the temps are reboot, but temps come down very very fast.

    See what diagnostics your motherboard has.

    Also, you can run something like Prime95 to stress it and see if you can reproduce it.

  • Randolf Richardson

    A few of my clients have experienced this type of symptom over the years, and it always turned out to be the speaker connectors (either not plugged in all the way, or there was some sticky dirt on the connector), although this didn't cause the computer to freeze.

    Try using a different set of speakers with a different set of wires. The fact that your headphones don't exhibit this behaviour sort of points to the speakers.

  • HaydnWVN

    As Randolf and Dustin commented below... The problem sounds like a HDMI/interface issue, see if you can repeat it using DVI and some external speakers - i'm guesing not (which would indicate a GPU problem... You also mention its clocked - suggest running it at factory settings...)

  • MDT Guy

    Double Check your drivers, yes, they may be "up to date" but are they the right version for your OS and/or hardware? First thing's first, start ruling out software, wipe the disk, reinstall the OS, and very systematically and methodically start doing research on which driver's you're using, where you're getting it from, what order, and which version. After that, start with some memory testing tools.