networking - Why is my neighbor ping 20ms less in online games?

07
2014-04
  • user3940

    My friend/neighbor has the same ISP than me (cable provider). In fact, he has a lower speed package. But when we game online he always have 10-20ms less ping than me.

    I tried connecting my PC directly to my modem and the result is still the same.

    Our other friend in the same city with the same provider has arround my ping too. Why is that?

    EDIT:

    Here's the start of my tracert

      2    11 ms    17 ms     8 ms  10.33.104.1
  3    12 ms    14 ms    23 ms  216.113.124.61
  4     9 ms    14 ms     9 ms  216.113.122.154

    Here's my friend's

    2 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms 10.78.96.1
3 9 ms 11 ms 11 ms 216.113.126.170
4 7 ms 9 ms 8 ms 216.113.122.230

    You can clearly see where i'm loosing those 15-20ms... The rest of the route is the same.

    • Answers
  • Antonio Morales

    Option 1: Check if your connection passes through an ISP proxy.

    Put in Google "What is my ip", choose one of the thousands similar webs and look where it says "Proxy Detected:". Repeat the same with your friend connection.

    Option 2: Try a traceroute to the server game.

    For this open a prompt and type:

    Linux -> "traceroute [put_here_ip_server]"

    Windows -> "tracert [put_here_ip_server]"

    Compare both traceroutes.

    If you have a Dynamic IP address, you can try to reboot your router to get a new IP and, hopefully, a better route to the server.

    However, the best option will always be to hire FTTH(Fiber To The Home) to reduce the latency of the line.

  • codenoire

    If you pay attention to your tracert, you'll notice right away that your traceroute isn't even taking the same path as your neighbor -- your traffic is being routed through different hosts.

    That said - and since you can't control it, nor can your neighbor - maybe you want to find other pursuits for your time rather than this sort of stuff.

    Your question is akin to asking: "My co-worker lives next door to me. We leave in the morning at the same time. He takes his car, I take my car. They're both Toyota Prius models. Why don't we arrive at work within 20 ms of one another?"

  • spuder

    If you are serious about finding the answer, you'll need to remove variables.

    • Cable Modem
    • Router
    • Coax and Network cables
    • Network Card / Computer

    The easiest one to test, would be to trade computers for a day.

    My money would say that it is your network card / configuration is the biggest factor.

    Different network chipsets perform differently. Just look at some of the video cards marketed as low latency. Supposedly firmware tweaks can take dozens of milliseconds off your ping.

    If you try the computer swap experiment, please let me know how big of a difference it makes.


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  • Crippledsmurf

    A failed ping means that either:

    1. A ping request is not making it to the target host
    2. A ping response is not making it to the host that sent the request

    There are many reasons why either of these things may happen, the majority of these reasons can be split into either physical or software issues.

    When debuging I start with the physical component of the transmission path, that is NICs, network cables and intermediary devices.

    Physical Checks

    1. Network cable connects the two hosts. If the two hosts are not directly connected by a cable, make sure that the sending and recieving NICs are connected to the correct router and/or switch port as these can be configured to route traffic differently

    Software Checks

    1. Make sure the NICs in each machine are recognized by the operating system. [1]
    2. Make sure both machines have a valid IP address, subnet mask, gateway and nameserver configuration. [2]
    3. Make sure the sending and receiving hosts have valid MAC addresses (yes, i've had this issue before) [3]
    4. Make sure the sending and receiving hosts have correct ARP cache information for their gateways [4]
    5. There is a possibility that the sending host will have an ARP cache entry for the recieving host or vice versa. If such entries exist, make sure these entries are correct by verifying that the IP address maps to the correct MAC address. If there are inconsistancies, remove those entries from the ARP cache
    6. Verify that ping packets (ICMP Echo Requests and ICMP Echo Responses) are not blocked by filters on local software firewalls, or filters running on devices between the sending and recieving host.
    7. If you are using a hostname to identify the receiving host, try using the IP address directly as this will remove issues that stem from the name resolution process.

    The error message returned by the ping command should also be considered when troubleshooting, Error messages that I see commonly include:

    Request Timed Out

    This is a very generic message that indicates that a response was not recieved within the timeout period. This may occur because the host could not respond due to workload and time constraints, or because of connectivity or routing issues discussed above.

    Reply from {host}: Destination network unreachable

    Often {host} will be the NIC on the local machine, or the machines gateway. The message means that it couldn't find a route between {host} and receiving host (I may be wrong here)

    This is by no means an exhaustive list of reasons why ping may fail, however it does cover many common issues. I hope that it can help someone the next time their network breaks

    The footnotes below apply to Windows NT based systems as this is where I have experience,

    [1] You can verify that the operating system has a valid driver for your network card by checking for the presence of any Network Controller items under the Unknown Devices node in Device Manager. If there is one you need to find a compatible driver for your card.

    Check under the Network Adapter node for your card, assuming your card is listed double click it and check for any known errors listed under Device Status

    [2] The TCP/IP configuration dialog can be accessed on Vista / Win 7 by opening Network and Sharing Centere -> Change adapter settings (left hand pane) -> right click the adapter you are interested in and choosing Properties (requires elevation) and then double clicking either TCP/IP Protocol Version 4 or 6 depending on what you use (most likely v4)

    [3] running the ipconfig /all command will display the MAC address as well as the IP address, subnet mask, gateway and nameservers. The MAC address is labelled Physical Address in the output

    [4] TheARP -a command displays the current ARP table for the host.

  • Jane T

    Just to add to the previous Answer :

    Hostname not found: This points to a DNS issue rather than a routing issue, so you will need to check out your DNS server, and it's relationship to the device you are pinging from.

    To trace how far your ping is getting, try using tracert rather than ping to see what device is being reached before the route fails (this only helps where the other device is not on the same subnet as the start device).

  • James

    If you get pings sometimes, but not others, and can't prove/catch it... here are some tools that help identify networking issues:

    Windows: http://www.pingplotter.com/freeware.html pathping

    Linux: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTR_%28software%29

    These tools might help you say that the 5th hop is the one where things go crazy, and then you can troubleshoot just that hop.

    Sometimes across networks you need to find which device is causing slow responses, and you can't seem to find it during a single ping. These tools help identify it over a series of pings by keeping "score" and showing you a graph.

    Note that pings are sometimes given lower priority too, so a slow ping doesn't always mean bad network.

    Aside from the great and thorough answer above, verify that the NIC are using proper linkspeeds:

    In windows you could poke around the gui in the networking properties, and in Linux you would use "ethtool". If the hosts on either side of a router/switch are set to 10MBs and Half Duplex, but the router/switch is set to 100MBs Full Duplex, it will spew odd errors (for example). This is more common on a new setup though than an established system.

    You can see some of these errors by using netstat:

    netstat -S

    or by constantly monitoring it, if you are an uber nerd:

    for /L %i in (0,0,0) do @cls && netstat -S|find /I "Error" && @ping -n 1 -w 2000 224.0.0.0 >NUL && @cls

    If you have errors, that's not a big deal, however if you have more and more errors by the second, that's likely a hardware/cabling/speed/duplex issue.

  • Martin

    If ping does not work, here's what I do:

    • Check that the name resolves to the correct IP -- often a problem not with servers but with laptops of co-workers etc.
    • If I'm sure the IP is correct, I use tracert to check how far I get.
    • If I'm not sure that the server I try to ping is reacting to ICMP messages, I use telnet to open a port on the server and see what it tells me.
    • I check if a co-worker can reach the server from his PC